Wednesday, August 29, 2007

On playing footsie with cops

Or, "But My Entire World is Like an Airport Men's Room in Minneapolis!"

I have several reactions to the soon-to-be-ex-Senator Craig "scandal":

(1) I don't like my news pre-Onionized for me. Really, I find it surreal and disconcerting to have senators talking about the width of their bathroom stances. Is it too much to ask for a sliver of a partition between news and satire?

(2) What did he do? Ok, he placed his bag against the stall door, which is, apparently, something "those intending to commit lewd acts" do. Also those who don't want to leave their bag by the sink, and have it stolen or detonated. It's a cubicle. He's supposed to maybe balance the bag on his head?

By the cop's own admission, he (the cop) "pumped his foot slowly up and down in response." In other words, Craig asked for sex using an arcane code extremely unlikely to "alarm, anger, or disturb" -- according to the the equally arcane code defining disorderly conduct in Minnesota -- an uninitiated fellow-lavator, and the cop knew what it meant and said yes.
Where's the victim?

(3) What I find more astonishing is the definition of "disorderly conduct." By this reckoning, ten years and thirty pounds ago, I had disorderly conduct foisted upon me approximately...let's see...15,923 times.

Per week.
Give or take.

But, even if they're unwanted advances, that's the natural order of things, right? Whereas men have to be protected from the unwanted advances of men at all costs (why? because they're worried they just might succumb to a particularly persuasive piece of foot telegraphy?).

Given the constant, daily harassment women endure (come on now, don't tune out; stay with me, here) -- harassment that makes us compress our daily activities into daylight hours, that circumscribes where we go, who we go with, and even what we wear; intrusive harassment, ruin-your-day, make-you-feel-powerless/angry/depressed harassment -- the overzealous prosecution of the toe-tapper really pisses me off. It's like those sophomore discussions one has of human trafficking, in which someone invariably says "but what about the men?", and then the rest of the discussion, in some form or another, is overwhelmingly preoccupied with those minority cases. Heaven forfend we don't keep men front and center, even if it makes lousy Bayesians of us all.

Look: if there'd been groping, a physical risk, or even just a persistent advance in the face of a single "no" (which doesn't seem to have ever been uttered), I'd be supportive regardless of the gender base-rates involved. But "he tapped his foot and looked at me funny"? Please! Men! Grow a pair!

(4) However.

(5) In much the same way that it's a shame the OJ case involved framing a guilty man, it's unfortunate that they're unjustly smearing a guy who so richly deserves to be taken down.

I derive comfort from the way the cop's meticulous narrative continues: "he exited the cubicle...without flushing."

If they want to arrest, sentence, and bring him up on Ethics charges on that basis, I'm cool with it.

28 Comments:

Blogger Ted F. said...

Best post evir.

10:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Definitely up there. BTW, ignore Andrew Sullivan's dismissal and check out the WP article linked off his site today (under Esq's "etc").

"Internet message boards on "cruising" are constantly abuzz with come-ons written by those seeking partners for anonymous bathroom sex." Heh.

Oh, and here's some nifty Dr. Who news for you:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/08/30/bowie_who/

-kh

7:28 AM  
Blogger esquiver said...

Ooooh, they know their audience, don't they? Still, he was actually pretty bad in 'The Prestige' (which, in turn, was pretty crummy). I mean, it was no "Labyrinth," y'know? ;-) I find myself more thrilled -- and I'm not sure I could promise that it's not for the same reasons -- that they're bringing in Felicity Kendal.

10:29 PM  
Anonymous Bill Roth said...

Well....But then again...........

Being a cranky resident of the great Pacific NW (who still insists on telling everyone that I'm 'from California'), I have to confess to a bias re Senator Craig, i.e. I hate the guy. Just another lying, conservative, hypocrite punk--or as a Judge once described one of my clients: 'A pimple on the a-hole of humanity.'

That said, every time I have called Senator Craig a 'moron' (and there have been many, many times), my intent was purely character assassination, not personality description. In a word, one does not become a three term US Senator while being a total moron (even in Idaho. Really. I am not making that up).

So picture this: A three term member of the Senate is arrested for waving his hand under a bathroom stall, and charged with intent to intend a lewd act with intent--or something like that. So, what does said Senator do? Either fight like a crazy man, insisting that s/he has done nothing wrong, OR call your staff flunky whose entire job is to tell you where to put your feet so you don't break an ankle (and that person tells you to fight like a etc).

After all, look at those jerks caught in ABSCAM (okay--so that's before your time), or the Idiot in LA (I believe) who kept all his cash wrapped up inside the freezer (like most of us do). Or Senator Stevens, who has no memory of how the bills got paid for the remodeling job that doubled the size of his house. Or Randy 'Duke Me One More Time' Cunningham, who went down swinging with his eight years in the can...

Come on, how hard would it be to defend on Senator Craig's facts? 'I just stuck my hand under the stall, because it's a public restroom, and it looked like some slob had just pee'd on the toilet paper...' Who in America would convict on those facts? The police are going to say 'I examined the TP in Senator Craig's stall, and I could see no sign of pee'? Then Senator Craig would say 'I don't give a damn what that guy thought. I'm not wiping with anything some guy I don't know pee'd on in a public restroom!' What DA is going to take THAT case to trial? I tried a case once where I had to show an x-ray of a dead cat. During voir dire, I described this evidence, and three jurrors asked to be excused! But on these stupid facts, Senator Craig doesn't even try to plea 'no contest.' He pleads guilty! Why? He's afraid of what else would come out about him in a hard fought trial? He just lies some more, and dismisses all those other guys as part of an organized campaign to discredit him--Agent provocatures from the Sierra Club or or other environmental group.

So....There must be something else going on---which i have no problem believing, because (supra) I hate the guy.

As to Esquiver's broader complaint about women having to suffer much more serious harassment from toe tappers who think anything short of 'Get away from me or I'll rip your lungs out and shove 'em up your donkey' (and I do not mean 'donkey;' I'm just trying to circumvent the censors) really means "Oh my god! Please have wild sex with me RIGHT NOW! I insist!' on a regular basis....She does have an excellent point---which of course makes me feel guilty......even though when I apologize to the women who I have made crude come ons to, virtually all of them express surprise that I was coming on to them.

But all other things being equal (which they aren't), I do have to say that as a group, I am very impressed with the hard driving nature of the young women in my community college calculus class. They are far from their shrinking violet sisters that I grew up with in the Seventies....Still, I actively avoid talking about human trafficking just for the very same reasons Esquivalence mentions. And as I get older, I am showing a definite tendecy towards crankiness.

I remain--

Bill Roth

3:43 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Craig asked for sex using an arcane code extremely unlikely to "alarm, anger, or disturb"

Indeed, the entire purpose of the code is to avoid alarming, angering, or disturbing people unaware of the code. Without the code, I imagine there would be a lot of cruising gay men getting assaulted for their come-ons.

1:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In much the same way that it's a shame the OJ case involved framing a guilty man

Oh, please. OJ wasn't framed. The entirety of the "evidence," so far as I can tell, that OJ was framed was that Mark Fuhrman said "nigger" in 1985.

2:40 PM  
Blogger Chester said...

I'm sorry but you're not making sense. You can't compare signaling the willingness to perform an illegal act, sodomy in public, with unwanted heterosexual advances, i.e., let’s go to my place for sex.
Don't you want men trolling the internet for 13 year-olds arrested when they show up at the meeting place, even though no sex has occurred yet?

7:08 PM  
Anonymous Osama bin Homer said...

Chester,
Yes, but in the former case (sodomy in public) whay are you assuming the "in public" part? They could go to an airport hotel, or at the very least close the stall door and try to hide the fact -- it is not plausible they'd be doing it in the open. And even in said extreme case, the comparison leaks: where's the victim?

9:04 AM  
Blogger Chester said...

Osama bin Homer, a hand under the stall is usually reaching for something more immediate than a hotel room key.
The victims are the unwilling onlookers who walk into the bathroom to use it for its normal function.
But whether there is a victim here or not does not change the mushy-headed thinking that there is a gender-based double standard in this case.

9:22 AM  
Blogger Heraldblog said...

Craig's lawyers may claim that disorderly conduct statutes are discriminatory when applied to cases like this, which is what gays have been saying for decades. If Dems agree, that will leave an opening for GOP sleaze merchants to paint the Democrats as the party of icky restroom sex, which is the natural consequence of gay marriage, and only the Republican Party can save America from both threats. Thus the GOP will once again turn a weakness into a strength, and pass their own hypocrisy onto the Democrats. Hope I'm wrong.

12:52 PM  
Blogger Scott Lemieux said...

But whether there is a victim here or not does not change the mushy-headed thinking that there is a gender-based double standard in this case.

Seeing someone tapping his foot under his bathroom stall is worse than routinely being subject to harassment in public? I don't suppose you have an atcual argument to make?

3:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sing it.

Every woman in America is officially STUNNED to learn that it is a crime to ask (not to demand in a menacing manner, but to subtly ask) for sex in a public place.

See, all our lives we learned that if a guy asks for sex, it's something you have to deal with, and figure out a way to safely decline on your own--no matter how drunk he is and how much he outweighs you. You can only call for the cavalry if he actually physically grabs you--and then, only if you're in a public place wearing conservative clothing. Because if you went to his room, or had one too many drinks, or "should have known better," it was going to be more humiliating to demand justice than to just suck it up.

Seriously, guys, if I'd known about this law in my twenties, it would have been a much, much easier walk to work. And home. And let's not talk about how much easier it would have been to wash the goddam car on the weekend, or to do anything in public when the weather was above 50 degrees.

Wow, it's a crime to ask a stranger for sex. Poll your women friends, boys--they will LAUGH their asses off when you suggest this may in fact reflect actual law. Ain't no law we've ever lived under.

10:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Grow a pair!

I am sorry but when you use sexist, homophobic attacks on men, you lose all credibility.

You don't like sexual harassment? Then stop acting like a sexual harasser.

Sexism works in both directions, honey.

4:09 PM  
Blogger esquiver said...

...Whereas irony so rarely works at all.

I was resolved to stay out of the fray, but I just can't resist: my remarks are *homophobic*? Gay men are lacking testicles? See, I was totally unaware of this. Are you absolutely certain of your sources?

I'm also enthralled by your implicit modus ponens. I can stop all the "hey babys" by posting less expressively? I'd seriously consider that. Unfortunately, in a six-week experiment in which I always looked on the bright side, loved my neighbor as myself, and let a smile be my umbrella, the world failed to become a better place. (I also got drenched to the skin.)

So, forgive my skepticism in your ability to deliver.

4:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I was resolved to stay out of the fray, but I just can't resist: my remarks are *homophobic*? Gay men are lacking testicles? See, I was totally unaware of this. Are you absolutely certain of your sources?

Are you certain of yours?

Well, my source is growing up human and understanding that telling a man to grow a pair is to insinuate they are cowards, or pussies, or wimps, or faggots.

You can pretend that you didn't know that "grow a pair" was the same as calling men faggots, but that just makes you seem either dishonest or ignorant.

You can examine "the urban dictionary" for more corroboration.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=get+a+pair
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=grow+a+pair
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pussy
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wimp
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=faggot

Sucks to be called out on your bigotry, gay bashing, and privilege doesn't it? Maybe you're not as enlightened as you think.

I think most of us have various privileges of one sort or another. I find it's usually bigots, racists, and certain modern feminists that think their shit smells clean.

5:49 PM  
Blogger esquiver said...

Oh, I really should just leave it, but:

Yes, anonymous, I WAS implying that men should act with a bit more hirsutism in this matter, but I (still) fail to see how that implies that gay men lack these qualities. That seems to be a prejudice that YOU'RE bringing to the table, your self-proclaimed status as the sole bringer of sweet-smelling shit (Koproseus?) notwithstanding.

And now, dearie me, I seem to have gone and erred against the bald.

6:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anon 5:49's lack of reading comprehension is living proof of the proposition that, no matter how stupid and illogical the argument, you can find someone on the Internet to make it.

6:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't understand why women don't act more ladylike in the face of these attacks. Good Southern women never have a problem with this. I think women should stop crying and shrieking about these issues and just realize this is all playful teasing, flirtatious banter. The real problem is that modern women act too much like men (we know what *that* means.)

I have never claimed my shit don't stink. As I said, I think all of us have our privileges that we are blind to. Amongst yours perhaps is your inability to see your homophobic attacks.

7:01 PM  
Anonymous Bill Roth said...

Okay....I know that there are things I need to let roll, and I also know this is one of them. But what the hell. Here goes:

I officially apologize for all the terrible things I said about my experiences in organizing as part of the women's movement, not because terrible, stupid things didn't happen--but because I always said that the terrible stupid things that happened were endemic to the women's movement. I should have known better than to say something like that.

There. I said it.

Why am I apologizing now? Because Anonymous 5:49 argues that the phrase 'grow a pair' is a homophobic slur. According to Annonymous 5:49, 'grow a pair' implies that the man in question is a coward, wimp, pussy, and THEREFORE deep down, a 'faggot' ie gay. If that is true, then every time anyone calls a guy a pussy, a wimp, or a coward, that's also a homophobic slur? What about in the film Animal House, when the ROTC idiot shouts at the freshmen 'You're all worthless and weak!' Is that also a homophobic slur? Where should one draw the line between accusing a man of lacking the appropriate initiative (ie being a gutless wonder) and a homophobic slur?

Of course, screaming 'You dirty rotten gay homosexual faggot who should die a painful and lingering death, based purely on your sexual orientation, regardless of the content of your character or however else you may be living your life'--now that would be on 'homophic slur' side of the line. On the other side of the line would be...I don't know...two guys who both want the last piece of pizza, and one says 'Don't be such a cry baby.' But wherever you draw the line, that line is going to be 1) arbitrary and 2) subjective.

So how do you tell if a statement is homophobic? I would argue the distinction lies with the subjective intent of the speaker. For example, if I yell 'your favorite color is blue!' and INTEND that to be a homophobic slur, that's a homophobic slur (I'm just really stupid). On the other hand, if I am frustrated with a friend who is indecisive, and I say 'don't be so gay,' but the last thing in the world I am thinking about is my friend's (or anyone else's) sexual orientation, then I am a moron and an insensitive clod--but my intent is not to be homophobic. (NOTE: I am not defending homophobic behavior by calling it 'moronic' or sticking up for the dumbest name caller in the world. I am saying that a line is drawn somewhere, and that is where I personally draw it. Additionally, in my view, being an 'idiot' as opposed to 'homophobic' is not an improvement).

So, using that standard (ie looking at the subjective intent of the speaker), let's approach Es's writing.

In her essay, when Esqivaliar tells men who live in mortal, heartrending fear of toe tapping or a hand under the stall that they should 'grow a pair,' she MIGHT be making a homophobic slur, depending on her intent.

Now, pretending that I don't know La Belle Es, in the context of her argument, she is critical of the hypocrisy of men who with one side of their mouth tell women to 'just get over it,' while out of the other side of their mouth, those same men express extreme anxiety about using public restrooms--to the point that pole-leece-mans (sic) need to be hidden to make sure all the boys (sic) keep their hands to theirselves.

Hmmmmm. I would have to say that in the context of the argument, a fair reading of the meaning 'grow a pair' seems to be an ironic criticism aimed at men who are oblivious to the kinds of harassment women face ALL the time, yet those men live in fear of the mythical, magical, non-existant homosexual predator who taps toe and waves hand. Far from being a sexist, homophobic comment, E. would seem to be mocking men who are not only hypocrites, but also sexist and (gasp!) homophobic--in the sense that unlike women who tell men 'go away and leave me alone' hundreds of times a day, those men need a POLICE (sic) to tell men to 'go away and leave that guy alone.'

But the fact remains, I do know E. At one time, I knew E. quite well. I worked with E. I was friends with E. And E was no...Oh, nevermind.

What I mean to relate is a little story about me & the Divine Ms. E. One day, like most of us eventually, Ms. E. and me were strolling around Beijing, looking for either a famous landmark or a vegitarian restaurant (It seems we spent an inordinate amount of time looking for both those things). At one point, we're way off the beaten track, walking through a construction area with big piles of rubble, and no one else around. I'm getting a little nervous about chinese bandits kidnapping us and demanding ransom (mainly because unlike E., no one's going to pay squat for me). But after about ten minutes, we're back on the main street, strolling with China's teeming millions. I said 'Boy. I was a little scared back there.' And E, E she says 'Yeah, I was too. But then I realized that you're three times bigger than anyone we'd be likely to meet.' NOTE: I am 190 cm, and 98 kg (which is too many kgs). I was feeling good about E's comment, when she then added 'Only I know that you're really a wimp.' (E. may deny saying that, but believe you me: She said just that).

Was Ms. E. impunging my masculinity? Absolutely. Was she implying that I was gay? Not in the least. E was saying that I was worthless and weak (to coin a phrase). Is what she said homophobic? Not at all. She was damn rude, and hurt my feelings, but *that* was her intention--and homophobia. (And E: don't tell me to 'grow a pair,' thinking that's funny. It's not).

So---Why am I apologizing for my criticisms of the women's movement? Because this is exactly the kind of dumbass, self-defeating, circular arguments that the women's groups I worked with would have, ad infinitum. And anyone who made the kind of modest proposal of 'how about for a change we listen to what people say and mean, and don't always assume the worst of everyone' was simply an invitation for more abuse.

So let me make a modest proposal, suggesting that people read more carefully, and not assume the worst of everyone else.

I need to make a shout out to Annonymous 10:37 who said that all women in America will be stunned to learn that asking for sex in a public place is a crime. Annonymous 10:37 was clear, to the point, and hit the nail on the head about what in my opinion is the biggest problem we face in America, and that's gender hypocrisy. So thank you, Ms. Anonymous 10:37 for your contribution. And Mens (sic), if you don't know what I mean, then you need to actually TALK TO A WOMAN some time, and LISTEN when they explain it to you.

I remain--

Bill Roth

PS I almost forgot--for all of E's broadmindedness and clever turn of phrase, I can tell you she is really, really awful and insensitive towards male pattern baldness. Personally, I don't mind so much--because at least she's not wailing on my fat butt.....But we digress.

10:10 PM  
Blogger esquiver said...

Dear Mr. Roth:

Can I first just say how delighted I am that you're boiling all of this down to the idea of "speech acts"? Because, as you know, I believe that far more things than are commonly allowed to do so can -- and should -- be reduced to speech acts.

Second, just to play idiot's advocate ('cause *someone* has to): what about the use of the generic masculine? Do you know how often I've challenged a speaker, only to be snapped at "well, of course I MEAN 'he or she' when I say 'he'"? Which leaves me standing there, forlornly clutching a bale of empirical studies on how the use of the generic masculine is perceived by the audience to -- can you believe they fund these studies? -- mean *masculine*, and how a host of negative sequelae follow, including self-censoring and self-limiting behavior on the part of women, stereotype reinforcement, etc.

What, just for the sake of argument, do you say to the role of intention in those cases? Huh?

Not that it's at all a perfect parallel with "grow a pair" NOR that I in any way endorse the move from the possibly defensible "you have used homophobic language" to the more problematic "you are a homophobe." (E to K: "Honey, do you think I could be less homophobic?" K (with a surprising amount of tetchiness): "Not without abandoning your thin pretense of heterosexuality, no.")

I have my own answer, of course, but just curious about your thoughts. And, y'know, whether any oxygenated blood can make it past that fat butt.

-E.

12:14 AM  
Blogger Pai said...

I'm probably just stating the obvious, but y'all do realize the troll has just successfully derailed this entire discussion?

And yeah, I consider it trolling when someone ignores the entire point of an essay in order to start a debate over the semantics of a single phrase.

2:39 AM  
Anonymous Bill Roth said...

My Dear Ms. E:

Keeping in mind this is a public forum (barely public, due to the excessively boring nature of its content), so let me just say briefly that I do miss you, and that this has been a terrible, difficult two years for me. I think I am shaking off that skin though, c.f. the epilogue in Ralph Ellison's Invisible Man, and should at last be moving forward. Additionally, I am pleased that you give every appearance of being in a solid relationship, and are almost (dare I say it?) content (if not happy). And this from the person who had a fake marriage, but a real divorce. But again, we digress.

Re your question of the generic masculine. I have two responses, a public and one that is more private. So when I get to the part of this post where I say INSTALL PORTABLE CONE OF SILENCE (see Get Smart, Don Adams version), then everybody not nom de guere Esquiver stop reading (ASSUMING that anyone cares to read my long-winded rants in the first place...but we digress).

I recall a time when I was very dismissive of people unhappy with masculine as gender neutral language. I said that such concerns were divisive, and detracted from bigger issues--namely class (in the immortal words of Gene Autry: I was so much older then; I'm younger than that now....).

That was back in the day when I was fortunate enough to be attending a wonderful college not named after John Reed, which was (and is) a top flight chemistry, biology, physics, and probably math institution--but not a good general liberal arts college (Here I stand; god (sic) help me). I was an older student (twenty-six--a lifetime ago), yet with all the political science classes I had taken in my life, I somehow dodged the ‘Intro to Poly Sci’ bullet. Having been told 'Tough fecal material, Sherlock' (but not 'fecal material'), I entered that class as a tough, grizzled old senior who had seen it all...Kind of. Well, one day the 'one size fits all masculine gender' issue came up, and I was vocal about what a side issue that was. I seem to recall my arguments were especially brilliant. But after that class, there were four (maybe five) women first year students waiting to talk to me. Now, my mother had always told me that I was a hot property--but that kind of thing just didn't happen to me. And it didn't happen to me that day either. 'We need to talk to you,' one woman said. And they proceeded to tear that hotel down.

The essence of their argument was 1) in contemporary American culture--as a rule, men are the dominant social class, and women are subordinate; 2) language does matter, and what people call objects (and people) has a tremendous impact on how those people (and objects) are viewed; 3) You, as a guy, are telling us it doesn't matter that masculine pronouns erase our identity, solely because you are pure of heart; 4) Erasure is erasure, big guy, regardless of your soft heart; and 5) So if you really think this issue doesn't matter (i.e. it doesn't matter to you), we're telling you it really matters to us. So you're a hypocrite for arguing with us about this.

I'm not sure what I said at the time; I just seem to remember my head bobbing up and down a lot. But the next class, I disrupted the class (now there's a 'stop the presses' item), apologized saying I was wrong about one size fits all masculine pronouns, and that from that day forward I would do my best to use gender neutral language (nobody cared).

So, is there a contradiction between my argument that the speaker's subjective intent controls whether an expression is homophobic, but a speaker's intent should not be taken into account for 'The student brought his (sic) lunch'? Probably. But let me weasel at this.

First, I am NOT relying on the argument so popular with WASPs that a 'reasonable person' standard should prevail. Surprisingly, the 'reasonable person standard' always turns into the personal views of the WASP speaker. For example, a WASP will say the Washington Redskins is an ethnically insensitive name for a sports team, but the Kansas City Chiefs is not--because 'Chiefs' is 'not that big a deal.' While I don't know where THAT line should be drawn, I do know that me personal, King of the WASPs, I'm not telling any Native American what's 'reasonable' and what's 'insensitive.' So, I am not claiming to have the be-all, end-all, one size fits all, objective argument. This is my opinion, and my opinion (plus three bucks) gets you the small coffee at Starbucks.

But back to growing the proverbial pair and homophobia.

No, I am not gay--so am I being a hypocrite by deciding what is and is not homophobic? Yes, I believe I am. But in my defense, I would offer the following.

First, I want to go back to the language involved. Telling a group of junior high schoolers 'Every student needs to bring a padlock for his locker' cannot be misinterpreted: the young women are expressly treated as second class people, regardless of the speaker's intent. In contrast, Ms. E's use of 'grow a pair' is not specific to the gay community: She is chiding that segment of the male community that prides themselves in their masculinity, using the language of that community. So the first difference between the two statements is that Ms. E's is subject to interpretation, while 'his locker' is not.

But what if instead of 'grow a pair,' Ms. E had said 'Don't be such a pussy,' or 'Instead of swishing around...' or even 'Jeez--what a bunch of faggots'--but still had the same non-homophobic subjective intent? Would that be different? Yes it would, because (in my view) the closer one gets to ascribing a personality trait to an immutable characteristic, that is when a line is crossed. For example, when Ms. E says 'Bill, you can't run long distances any more, because you are a wide load with thinning hair,' that would be rude and mean (and truth is no defense)--but it wouldn't cross the line of attacks based on 'race' (whatever that means), gender, or sexual orientation. On the other hand, if I were to say 'Esquiver, you're a terrible driver, because you are short and just a crack,' that crosses the line of an unacceptable attack based on gender. Esquiver has a vagina (I'm not bragging--just stating a fact), but her inability to drive is wholly independent of that fact. I can (and will, god damnit) get back down to my fighting weight of 190 el bees--But E. will always have a vagina. Associating a personality defect to that fact is, in a word, wrong. On the other hand, 'grow a pair' in the context that Ms. E used it is broad enough to fairly embrace the interpretation that Ms. E. wanted to express.

Next, let me also just say that these issues cannot be examined independent of history. In my above examples, Esquiver attacking my running because I am packing more weight than I should is completely different from me calling Esquiver a crack. Why? Because it is beyond ridiculous to equate the social sigma of chunky, balding white guys with that of women. That is the same argument when talking about trafficking of women, and some jerk says 'But what about trafficking of men?' Sexual slavery--while YES, it does happen to men sometimes--is a phenomena that happens to women, and to treat that in a gender neutral fashion is to completely ignore the entire social dynamic.

Ignoring a history of oppression, just because you personal are not racist, sexist, or homophobic is to ignore how ingrained those views are in American society. In Susan Brownmiller's book 'Against Our Will,' she contrasts the film reviews of 'A Clockwork Orange' with 'Deliverance.' In both films, there are graphic rape scenes--only in Deliverance, it's Ned Betty getting raped. The virtually all-male film reviewers talked about how Alex in Kubrick's film was an 'everyman,' and how sexual assault could be fulfilling or expressive. On the other hand, no one suggested that Ned Betty's rape was 'expressive,' or 'liberating' or 'freeing' to Ned. To claim that contemporary American society equates telling a fat white guy to 'squeal like a pig' is the same as when a young woman is told to make similar sounds is to look reality in the eye--and ignore it. So, given the broad and pervasive history of sexism, men especially must be very careful about telling women what is—and is not hurtful. Calling me a fat ass—that’s just good clean fun.

Finally, am I a hypocrite because I am giving women as an oppressed social group the benefit of the doubt, regardless of subjective intent of the speaker, but not extending that same courtesy to the gay and lesbian community re 'grow a pair'? Probably. But as societies grow, language evolves and changes. For example, at one time, the expression 'jew 'em down' was appropriate for all polite society. Similarly, Mark Twain's use of the word 'nigger' in Huckleberry Finn meant something completely different than when George Rockwell (the former head of the American Nazi Party) used that word. Be that as it may, in today’s society, the use of the word ‘nigger’ is never acceptable. So, it is entirely possible that fifty years from now, 'grow a pair' will be a completely unacceptable expression--just as the 'drunk' comics (Foster Brooks et al) from the 1970s are completely unacceptable today.

But for today, using the masculine gender to include men and women is not acceptable (and that's not just my opinion: in 1979, the Oregon State Legislature decreed that all statutes needed to be in gender neutral language), while 'grow a pair' in the context that Ms. E used the term is still acceptable.

And this is already too long, so I am not going to talk about the less public reason. Cancel order of Portable Cone of Silence!

I remain,
Bill Roth

PS I use the name 'Bill Roth' only because when Ms. E. was closeted (so to speak), I did not want to use my full name for fear that SOMEHOW 'they' (whoever 'they' are--I don't know) could trace her identity from mine. Otherwise, I always use my full name whenever I post anything--internet or anywhere else--because I want to stand behind what I say (especially when I say something stupid).

3:35 AM  
Blogger fredrik said...

Who cares? Gay or not, that is up to him. If he wanted to get screwed (he did, he became a politicaian after all) he should say so, but nobody with their hand in the cookie-jar admits it. Let the old man go, he's already let go himself...

6:07 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. E, you can deny your use of homophobic bashing, and Mr. TL;DR can attest to you, but Amanda Marcotte's got your number as a gay basher.

When I read this, I flashed on the part of Jessica’s book where she talks about her woman’s studies professor making a list of the worst names you could call men (pussy, fag) and the worst you could call women (cunt, bitch, whore), the general point being that the worst thing you could say about someone was that he/she is a woman or feminine. I’d suggest reading the book; I’m going on memory here.

Perhaps if you were more willing to accept that you are privileged, and more self-reflective, you might be able to change your ways.

7:41 PM  
Blogger esquiver said...

Yeah...y'know, you were amusing at first, but you're really just boring me now. Off you go.

8:36 PM  
Blogger esquiver said...

Pai -

The thing is, we've never had to have a comment policy before. Small community = fun banter (cf. "A propos of nothing (social engineering version), below). And then all this mishegoss. Thanks for the timely face-slap.


Mr. Roth -

Rein it in! My niece reads this blog.


All of you -

Enough! Keep it clean, keep it civil, state your soup, and move off! Seriously: I don't require that you make a cogent point, but you must then at least be entertaining (Mr. Roth, you squeak by on that last one). I have a "delete comment" button, and I'm not afraid to use it.
Sheesh!

-E.

8:55 PM  
Blogger Mickle said...

anon

You seemed to have missed the bit where "grow a pair" is an insult to begin with because it involves calling a man a woman, and that it's connection to "faggot" is mostly a matter of thinking that gay men act too much like women.

Seeing as how Esquiver was discussing (yet another) instance where men demonstrate a supposedly feminine trait (squeamishness) and (yet again) heaven and earth are moved to protect them from the horrors they face (horrors that, yet again, don't even compare to the horrors women face everyday), I'd say it takes quite the selfish and/or confused mind to see, given the context, the use of a insult that falls under the umbrella of "sissy" as being anything other than ironic commentary on gender. The fact that you are so privileged as to think that because "woman" (or variations thereof) is the insult of choice - after "faggot" - to hurl at gay men, that makes every instance where someone is called "woman" an insult an instance of gay bashing - that's not Esquiver's fault.

And I doubt Amanda would agree with your take on the issue. I'm also quite certain she'd be moderately annoyed and amused and your bringing her name into this in order to defend your arguments.

4:25 AM  
Anonymous Bill Roth said...

Damn it! 'Mickle' said what I wanted to say, and only took about a fifth the number of words to make a better point.

I blame god.

Mickle, thank you making contribution to something I would have thought had been beaten into the ground.

5:41 AM  
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